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Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

This program is a production of the Reformed Forum. Online at reformedforum.org. This is Christ the Center, episode number 67. Today we speak with Ian Campbell on his approach to the Song of Solomon.

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

It was a good time. But today, as I mentioned, we have a great show lined up. We’re going to be speaking about the Song of Solomon, and we are very pleased to welcome on Ian Campbell, who’s a pastor in the Free Church of Scotland at Back Free Church on the Isle of Lewis. It’s great to have you on, D

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

We’re very excited. We’re going to be speaking about this article that appeared in the Westminster Theological Journal back in spring 2000. If you have a copy or if you have access to journal databases, it’s called The Song of David’s Son, Interpreting the Song of Solomon in the Light of the Davidic

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

And Nick, you suggested to us that we look into this article written back in 2000, The Song of David’s Son, interpreting the Song of Solomon in the light of the Davidic Covenant. Would you like to give us a little background about that and get us started off today?

Song of Solomon · Nancy Guthrie

Yeah, and what I hope I accomplished. I mean, I’m trying to remember who I was listening to. I was listening to an interview of someone I listened to and respect, a pastor the other day. And he was talking about, you know, how he just like hardly ever preached from the wisdom books, especially Eccle

Song of Solomon · Nancy Guthrie

And, but wait a minute, from Ecclesiastes, I’m still searching for a real sense of meaning here, that this is going somewhere. And even Song of Solomon, where there’s this glorious experience of sexual satisfaction, still longing. There’s still a longing.

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

Yeah, thanks, Camden. I’ve recently made the decision to change my THM thesis. I was working on the Song of Solomon and the biblical theology of the song, and it was sort of overwhelming because there’s so much to do in a whole book of the Bible. And with all the issues surrounding the question of t

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

I was looking for a scholarly volume by a woman on the Song of Solomon not long ago, and there were only about five or six schools. And Georgia Southern was one. It was only an hour from where I live. So you never know who’s going to have this out of just sort of random interest for these volumes.

Song of Solomon · Iain Duguid

Yes. So if you think about allegory as making arbitrary application of the biblical passage to a new situation, historically, when the church did allegory, they were looking for Jesus. And so when Cyril of Alexandria found Christ in the Song of Songs as the sachet of myrrh between the beloved’s two

Song of Solomon · Iain Duguid

being Jesus, come between the two testaments, that’s allegory. That was not in the original writer or hearer’s minds. But it’s striking that what they were looking for there was Christ. Often what modern interpreters do with texts they don’t understand is they look for practical application. And so

Song of Solomon · Jeff Waddington

Go to wtsbooks.com and pick up a copy of Dr. Dugood’s commentary on Ezekiel. While you’re at it, Song of Solomon. While you’re at it, you can do the numbers commentary.

Song of Solomon · Iain Duguid

Well, the new Reformed Expositive Commentary version of the Song of Songs is coming out next month.

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

the bulk of our conversation today. You know, again, the lecture titled Scripture as the Rule of Wisdom. When we think about wisdom literature, we can think about a lot of things. We can think about Job, for example, for example, Song of Solomon, but Proverbs obviously is, is looming large here. But

Song of Solomon · Nancy Guthrie

So that book begins with one week on Joshua, one week on Judges, one week on Ruth, and it works its way through the book of Esther. The fourth book is The Wisdom of God, Seeing Jesus in the wisdom books. So a study of Job, five weeks in the Psalms, week on Proverbs, week on Ecclesiastes, week on Son

Song of Solomon · Miles Van Pelt

So I’m not trying to answer every question. But there are times, for example, when you’re in poetic literature, psalms, proverbs, song of songs, where the language that you’re familiar with in terms of translation does not always match up, does not always seem like, well, that’s the obvious renderin

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

I agree. Yes. Do not arouse or awaken love until it pleases from Song of Solomon. But that’s one aspect of it. And it is something we have to be wise about to apply that knowledge, even in the case of something that abstractly or taken on its own is a tremendous gift of the Lord. Physical intimacy a

Song of Solomon · Guy Richard

But 365 letters. And in those letters you see Rutherford’s love for the Lord Jesus Christ. It almost makes me blush in the 21st century. Our sexually expressive culture. And you read the things he’s writing about using the language of the Song of Song, Song of Solomon, and using that to talk about h

Song of Solomon · Speaker 3

the immediate context of those texts. And they’re interpreting them through a Christological lens. And I think the warrant for that is given by our Lord Jesus. For example, the Song of Songs, never quoted exactly in the New Testament, maybe alluded to, but it’s never cited. And yet, our Lord says th

Song of Solomon · Speaker 3

And somehow, Song of Songs has to speak of our Lord.

Song of Solomon · Speaker 3

And so, when the early Church, and the earliest author I know who begins to develop that is Cyprian, but it certainly becomes a part of the patristic way of reading the Song of Songs, is that this is a text that speaks of Christ and His Church. Contemporary exegesis, 20th century scholars would rule

Song of Solomon · Speaker 3

classical Protestant exegetes, Calvin never wrote a commentary on Song of Songs, but certainly many of his heirs did, and notably John Gill. And I’m not saying that every time all of Gill’s exegesis is correct. I mean, some of the details he wants to find in some of the details of the Song of Songs,

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

Well, this one individual actually went so far as to say the point of the Song of Solomon is not to give us propositional truth statements, but it’s to stir up love and affection that we would love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. Well, that’s a proposition. It is. It c

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

Yeah, especially when you think about Christ becoming for us wisdom from God. We start to see some interesting parallels there. That’s a good way to think about it. Now, many people recognize Christ in the Psalms. We’ve touched upon a few already. But what about the Song of Songs, for instance? I kn

Song of Solomon · Camden Bucey

But how have you treated the Song of Songs in particular, and how do you see Jesus in that book that has challenged many people?

Song of Solomon · David Murray

Maybe not a traditional case for the song being sung in a Christ-centered way. And, again, I try to go back to context, canonical context. If you find the Song of Solomon on the street or on a shelf and you read it, yeah, you would think it was a romantic song to help create more healthy marriages i

Song of Solomon · David Murray

And I think when we see that context, then we don’t come to the Song of Songs and think, oh, this is out of place or, you know, oh, here’s some marriage guidance. The king has written all these books about himself. This isn’t just the odd chapter thrown in that’s got nothing to do with him. It’s see

Song of Solomon · David Noe

There’s the thing, right? The bread, the water, the wine, and the sacraments. And then what does it signify, right? And this is where the dispute went. So after dealing with Augustine, we skipped way ahead to the 12th century, to Bernard of Clairvaux, and read a little bit of his first sermon on the

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

there also seems to be evidence and maybe you could speak to this that more than just psalms were sung in the old testament I remember reading through Habakkuk not long ago and the end of Habakkuk says to the chief choir master now that doesn’t necessarily prove that it was sung in old covenant wors

Song of Solomon · Derek Thomas

well I’ll stay away from the song of Solomon for a minute but I also think that in the new testament that there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that Philippians 2 was an early Christian hymn that Colossians chapter 1 was probably an early Christian hymn that the Magnificat and the Nunc Dimitt

Song of Solomon · Speaker 1

Well, and that’s the, that’s the point. I mean, I I’ve thought long and hard about this now because the discussions on recent blogs with, you know, some of our contemporaries who, who want to say the Bible, um, doesn’t teach propositional truth everywhere. Certain portions are just meant to affect t

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

Right. It seems typical of a lot of Puritan expositions, I know especially with Song of Solomon, that they move beyond a grammatical historical typology or even using the principles that Perkins sets out for allegory. and I

Song of Solomon · Joseph A. Pipa, Jr.

don’t know that I’d agree with you there. I think that you could take Perkins’ principles of what is critical and hidden and say that this is the way that the Puritans approached the Song of Solomon. And I think they looked for, they were convinced that the book itself was about Christ and the churc

Song of Solomon · Joseph A. Pipa, Jr.

Burroughs, not Jeremiah, but another Burroughs, George Burroughs, Burroughs, in developing the Song of Solomon, looks at the type of literature from that time in the Middle East and the figures and makes a very compelling argument for, see, I wouldn’t call that allegorical interpretation. I think th

Song of Solomon · Joseph A. Pipa, Jr.

again, where in the introduction to Song of Solomon, it was so sane. And it takes the approach, I take, based on what Paul does in Ephesians 5, I believe the Song of Solomon is, on the one handle, a declaration of the beauty and glory of monogamous marriage, and in a sense, part of Solomon’s repenta

Song of Solomon · Mark A. Winder

And to go over just these last couple of verses, I love how these work out. Look at verse 14, sing aloud, O daughter of Zion, shout, O Israel. Daughter of Zion is frequently referenced in the Old Testament, particularly in the Song of Solomon, interestingly. Sing aloud, O daughter of Zion, shout, O

Song of Solomon · Mark A. Winder

that would be Judges through Esther and our English arrangement of the historical books is a bit different from the Hebrew arrangement and we’ll get into that when we get to that class. But the historical books show that we need a greater king and we need a greater kingdom and it anticipates that ki

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

editing, not heavily, but putting them into more of a readable format. And we have a publisher lined up. So hopefully in the next year and a half that will come out. I’ll be able to finish that. And I am going forward with my THM studies, the covenantal approach to the Song of Solomon. I want to poi

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

produce one of the most solidly argued defenses of the Christology of the Song of Solomon, Song of Songs, from a biblical theological approach. I think that more can be done with that. And I’m really excited about some papers I’m going to get to write in the next couple months. I’m doing my THM at P

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

produce one of the most solidly argued defenses of the Christology of the Song of Solomon, Song of Songs, from a biblical theological approach. I think that more can be done with that. And I’m really excited about some papers I’m going to get to write in the next couple months. I’m doing my THM at P

Song of Solomon · Nick Batzig

John’s use of the Song of Solomon in the Book of Revelation. So I’m very excited about that and the opportunity to do that. So that’s what I’m working on. And you’re a busy man.

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Reformed Forum contributor Nick Batzig speaks about Jonathan Edwards: Preaching Christ in the Song of Songs. This talk was given at the 2014 Jonathan Edwards for the Church conference. http://www.edwardsconference.org/media Participants: Camden Bucey , Nick Batzig Reformed

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We are pleased to welcome Iain D Campbell to speak about a covenantal approach to interpreting the Song of Solomon. Dr. Campbell wrote a wonderful article in the Spring 2000 issue of the Westminster Theological Journal on the subject and he brings his insights to the panel. In a

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